Comments on: Seasonality of Tick Paralysis in Byron Bay http://communityvet.net/2009/10/seasonality-of-tick-paralysis-in-byron-bay/ Sat, 21 Apr 2012 09:45:33 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Norv http://communityvet.net/2009/10/seasonality-of-tick-paralysis-in-byron-bay/comment-page-1/#comment-4078 Norv Wed, 16 Feb 2011 05:09:35 +0000 http://communityvet.net/?p=1229#comment-4078 Thanks Matt! Of course, if you get a dingo, then you have to find some way of keeping it at home. They've got a wanderlust stronger than a Wicked van with 12 months supply of free petrol! Thanks Matt! Of course, if you get a dingo, then you have to find some way of keeping it at home. They’ve got a wanderlust stronger than a Wicked van with 12 months supply of free petrol!

]]> By: matt http://communityvet.net/2009/10/seasonality-of-tick-paralysis-in-byron-bay/comment-page-1/#comment-4066 matt Tue, 15 Feb 2011 08:36:17 +0000 http://communityvet.net/?p=1229#comment-4066 hey norv, theres 2 types of immunity: 1) inate: passed down generations, partly genetic, placental, and mothers milk, and 2) aquired: our immune systems learning from exposure, during our lifetime. Vaccination stimulates this one (they are looking into the fesability of a tick vaccine). You'd expect 40,000 years of cohabitation would have given dingos more inate immunity, and this may be passed into some crosses, but there isn't any science to prove it. Dingos living wild, with lots of tick exposure would also develop aquired immunity; as do our farm dogs and domestic pets if they pick up paralysis ticks often enough. Tick antivenom manufacturers, who have colonies of dogs infested with ticks, acknowledge there are some dogs that cant cut it and repeatedly develop paralysis during 'training', while others quickly develop strong, longlasting immunity. Again, there would have been evolutionary pressure for dingos to have this stronger aquired immunity too. So, yep, if you can find one, a purebred dingo may save alot of grief. hey norv, theres 2 types of immunity:
1) inate: passed down generations, partly genetic, placental, and mothers milk, and
2) aquired: our immune systems learning from exposure, during our lifetime. Vaccination stimulates this one (they are looking into the fesability of a tick vaccine).

You’d expect 40,000 years of cohabitation would have given dingos more inate immunity, and this may be passed into some crosses, but there isn’t any science to prove it.

Dingos living wild, with lots of tick exposure would also develop aquired immunity; as do our farm dogs and domestic pets if they pick up paralysis ticks often enough.

Tick antivenom manufacturers, who have colonies of dogs infested with ticks, acknowledge there are some dogs that cant cut it and repeatedly develop paralysis during ‘training’, while others quickly develop strong, longlasting immunity. Again, there would have been evolutionary pressure for dingos to have this stronger aquired immunity too.

So, yep, if you can find one, a purebred dingo may save alot of grief.

]]> By: Norv http://communityvet.net/2009/10/seasonality-of-tick-paralysis-in-byron-bay/comment-page-1/#comment-4065 Norv Tue, 15 Feb 2011 08:10:31 +0000 http://communityvet.net/?p=1229#comment-4065 Hi Matt, Do you reckon dingoes or dingo X dogs have better resistance to ticks? Cheers, Norv Hi Matt,
Do you reckon dingoes or dingo X dogs have better resistance to ticks?
Cheers,
Norv

]]> By: Fiona Wells http://communityvet.net/2009/10/seasonality-of-tick-paralysis-in-byron-bay/comment-page-1/#comment-1995 Fiona Wells Tue, 07 Dec 2010 06:57:46 +0000 http://communityvet.net/?p=1229#comment-1995 Have lost animals using Summerland tick serum that would normally be no problem on North Coast serum. Have to give 3 to 4 times dose to keep anything alive, and sometimes still fail. NOT HAPPY!!! Have lost animals using Summerland tick serum that would normally be no problem on North Coast serum. Have to give 3 to 4 times dose to keep anything alive, and sometimes still fail. NOT HAPPY!!!

]]> By: matt http://communityvet.net/2009/10/seasonality-of-tick-paralysis-in-byron-bay/comment-page-1/#comment-1862 matt Sun, 28 Nov 2010 07:53:26 +0000 http://communityvet.net/?p=1229#comment-1862 hey ben, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spinosad#Safety" rel="nofollow">spinosad</a>, the insecticide in comfortis is of low toxity in mammals, with no reported hepatotoxicty, and i'd be comfortable using a tick collar in conjunction. This is a good combination in terms of efficacy, transportability and cost. The only dilemma is whether swimming decreses the duration of tick prevention of the collar - maybe change every 4-5 weeks. Proban in conjuction with a collar would be pushing the bounds of safety, an probably overkill as proban is very effective on its own. Proban with spinosad (comfortis), would proably be ok, and havent heard of any adverse events. Neem is natural, or low toxicity to pet and environment, and has been useful in controlling fleas, but not proven as a tick preventative. I'd love to hear the kill percentages for neem is anyone knows. The manufacturers technical data of newfangled spot ons are up in the high 90%'s for the first few weeks, then fall to 60-70%. Anecdotally, there are some very convincing stories of resistance and these figures may be falling below 50% now, earlier in the month. Be careful with any online claims of anti-tick efficacy of neem, as no other country has the paralysis tick, and you need to be very confident in your tick product claims here. hey ben, spinosad, the insecticide in comfortis is of low toxity in mammals, with no reported hepatotoxicty, and i’d be comfortable using a tick collar in conjunction. This is a good combination in terms of efficacy, transportability and cost. The only dilemma is whether swimming decreses the duration of tick prevention of the collar – maybe change every 4-5 weeks.

Proban in conjuction with a collar would be pushing the bounds of safety, an probably overkill as proban is very effective on its own. Proban with spinosad (comfortis), would proably be ok, and havent heard of any adverse events.

Neem is natural, or low toxicity to pet and environment, and has been useful in controlling fleas, but not proven as a tick preventative. I’d love to hear the kill percentages for neem is anyone knows. The manufacturers technical data of newfangled spot ons are up in the high 90%’s for the first few weeks, then fall to 60-70%. Anecdotally, there are some very convincing stories of resistance and these figures may be falling below 50% now, earlier in the month.

Be careful with any online claims of anti-tick efficacy of neem, as no other country has the paralysis tick, and you need to be very confident in your tick product claims here.

]]> By: Ben http://communityvet.net/2009/10/seasonality-of-tick-paralysis-in-byron-bay/comment-page-1/#comment-1841 Ben Fri, 26 Nov 2010 12:20:36 +0000 http://communityvet.net/?p=1229#comment-1841 Hi Matt, On the issue of flea and tick control, if you use comfortis to control fleas, would using a tick collar in conjunction with it be too much insecticide for the dog, all at once? (Or using Proban in conjunction for that matter?). Secondly, are you at all familiar with the flea control products that are made from Neem oil, such as soaps and oils? Do you have any anecdotal experience with them? Cheers, Ben Hi Matt,
On the issue of flea and tick control, if you use comfortis to control fleas, would using a tick collar in conjunction with it be too much insecticide for the dog, all at once? (Or using Proban in conjunction for that matter?). Secondly, are you at all familiar with the flea control products that are made from Neem oil, such as soaps and oils? Do you have any anecdotal experience with them?
Cheers,
Ben

]]> By: matt http://communityvet.net/2009/10/seasonality-of-tick-paralysis-in-byron-bay/comment-page-1/#comment-964 matt Mon, 23 Aug 2010 01:17:21 +0000 http://communityvet.net/?p=1229#comment-964 yep greg, all animals are susceptible to the paralytic toxin. Theres only 2 mechanisms that render animals resistant to their effects 1. Body size. The bigger then animal, the less toxin per kg of tissue, the less the impact. Horses and Cows would need many ticks to have an effect while calves, goats and other smaller farm animals suffer paralysis more readily. 2. Immunity to tick venom, only occurs after repeated exposure to the venom, a bit like vaccination boosters. Even wildlife species which dont usually get ticks, like birds, can go down with paralysis if tick affected. yep greg, all animals are susceptible to the paralytic toxin. Theres only 2 mechanisms that render animals resistant to their effects

1. Body size. The bigger then animal, the less toxin per kg of tissue, the less the impact. Horses and Cows would need many ticks to have an effect while calves, goats and other smaller farm animals suffer paralysis more readily.

2. Immunity to tick venom, only occurs after repeated exposure to the venom, a bit like vaccination boosters. Even wildlife species which dont usually get ticks, like birds, can go down with paralysis if tick affected.

]]> By: Greg Cromwell http://communityvet.net/2009/10/seasonality-of-tick-paralysis-in-byron-bay/comment-page-1/#comment-961 Greg Cromwell Sun, 22 Aug 2010 22:48:03 +0000 http://communityvet.net/?p=1229#comment-961 Thanks for the great article and information. We need to get our new calves drenched too--apparently ticks can kill cows too. Thanks for the great article and information. We need to get our new calves drenched too–apparently ticks can kill cows too.

]]> By: rich http://communityvet.net/2009/10/seasonality-of-tick-paralysis-in-byron-bay/comment-page-1/#comment-27 rich Fri, 13 Nov 2009 08:52:54 +0000 http://communityvet.net/?p=1229#comment-27 Hi Matt, nice idea plotting that and I love the inverse relationship to hours of sleep for on call vets, nice one! By the way, I took our demanding visitors from last week bushwalking in Wanganui gorge, there were some lovely spots, saw two very mature cedar trees, tyhat looked like they must have been at least a couple of centuries old. We should go bushwalking sometime now you're back up this way Catch up soon Cheers Rich Hi Matt,
nice idea plotting that and I love the inverse relationship to hours of sleep for on call vets, nice one!
By the way, I took our demanding visitors from last week bushwalking in Wanganui gorge, there were some lovely spots, saw two very mature cedar trees, tyhat looked like they must have been at least a couple of centuries old.
We should go bushwalking sometime now you’re back up this way
Catch up soon
Cheers Rich

]]> By: Greg Cromwell http://communityvet.net/2009/10/seasonality-of-tick-paralysis-in-byron-bay/comment-page-1/#comment-24 Greg Cromwell Wed, 21 Oct 2009 23:22:29 +0000 http://communityvet.net/?p=1229#comment-24 Hi Matt Can we put this on our Goonengerry website. We had allot of interest from an article on ticks we published last year. http://www.goonengerry.com.au/news-mainmenu-2/1-latest/65-has-tick-season-started-yet.html Hi Matt

Can we put this on our Goonengerry website. We had allot of interest from an article on ticks we published last year. http://www.goonengerry.com.au/news-mainmenu-2/1-latest/65-has-tick-season-started-yet.html

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